Five Verses on Enlightenment 2 of 2 by Sw. Sarvapriyananda
Five Verses on Enlightenment 2 of 2 by Sw. Sarvapriyananda at Vedanta Society Berkeley
Sw. Sarvapriyananda at Vedanta Society Berkeley |
Five Verses on Enlightenment 2 of 2 by Sw. Sarvapriyananda at Vedanta Society Berkeley.
The awareness it's simplest the fact of our life and yet
we do not notice that all right two approaches to proving what are we trying to prove you are claiming or advantage claiming that the entire universe which seems to be
we do not notice that all right two approaches to proving what are we trying to prove you are claiming or advantage claiming that the entire universe which seems to be
so solid how there is an appearance in
consciousness is not apart from consciousness does not constitute a
second to consciousness non-dual not -
how do you say that can you prove it one is the classical Advaitic approach based on text if you ask a pundit a classical scholar in India he will say this and the second one will be a more philosophical approach may be more suited to a modern type
how do you say that can you prove it one is the classical Advaitic approach based on text if you ask a pundit a classical scholar in India he will say this and the second one will be a more philosophical approach may be more suited to a modern type
so two approaches quickly the first approach is text-based
if you ask a classical scholar that scholar will say or you
want me to prove that the universe is nothing other than
consciousness okay in the Venetians specifically for example ty
Tyrion Venetian there is a line which says test Magua a the smart man
aha akasha Samatha from this Brahmin which is none other than the
Atman Brahman means this reality Brahman which is none other than you
the self what happened space emerged and then Akasha,
why you love me Agni repeat Eevee from space, emerged the wind and from that
emerges fire from that water from that emerge the earth and the five
elements were created and from which the entire universe has been
created
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so now if the five elements have emerged from the Atman from Ramana Rahman which is pure consciousness then Atman pure consciousness becomes the cause and all of these five elements become the effect in Sanskrit Karana and cardia cause and effect no different from saying if you take the root as the cause and you make it into a podium the podium is the effect the material out of it males are the cause and the podium is the effect okay
so this
whatever the cause is it must be present in the effect if you make a
table out of wood you can be sure that the table is wooden if you
make in a classical example a bust out of clay you can be sure of one
the thing you don't know what can impart it to with me but you can be
sure of one thing the pot is clay obviously if there is a wave in the
bay out there in the water out there is a wave you know whatever the
wave is you can be sure it's water obviously because if the cause is
water the effect is going to be water if the cause is clay the effect
the pot will be clay if the cause is wood the effect the table will
be wood there's no doubt about it if the cause is pure consciousness
the effect will be pure consciousness
so what you experience as the
five elements in primitive cosmology space and air and fire and water
and Earth's now will have 170 hundred eighty the periodic table and
everything but anyway whatever you experience as an object if it has
emerged from the subject then it also must be in some sense pure
consciousness alone and therefore proved what was what were we trying
to prove don't forget that this entire universe nothing but pure
consciousness if it has emerged from pure consciousness then it must
be the new pure consciousness is the cause and this universe is the
effect
so this universe must be nothing other than pure consciousness
though it doesn't look like that now at this point and it's not
really unreasonable also because after all when we dream for example
we dream of people and places and houses and things and events and
dogs and cats and here the fact is all of those are mind in our
dreams they look pretty solid if you try to dig in into the ground in
your dream I'd say oh is this in mind you won't mind that but it's a
practice fear
my,
my,
the dreaming mind has dreamt up all of that
consciousness alone appears as its object now at this point,
a modern the mind will object pardon the pun with the object all of this is based
upon a text,
you quoted from the opposition and derived it from there
Upanishad said the five elements have emerged from consciousness and
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so the five elements must be nothing other than consciousness fine but suppose I don't believe all that to an ancient mind the opening shots being path a part of the Vedas was proof scriptural proof in Sanskrit shooting brahmana but now we may be fine with scriptures and texts but we would like independent reasoning philosophical reasoning can you give me some kind of reasoning to think that this universe which I'm experiencing is in some sense consciousness or at least is not apart from consciousness here is the reasoning very quickly how
do we know two things are one or different what are we trying to understand is the universe one with me the awareness or is it really different and out there is it in main awareness
or is it out there is
it different from me the way to understand this is a technique there are a philosophical method and analysis in two things are all
mazing periods together and can never be shown separately then you
have cause to think that they are in some sense one the example
here is that one Swami gives a very funny example that a person an
elderly a person who has a nice grin you're thinking is that though
are they real teeth or out their dentures well only way to know
because every the time you meet the person the teeth are in the mouth
so you don't know really the only way to know is if you pray to pay
him a sudden surprise visit and knock on his door suddenly
unannounced and you come and he comes out with a grandfatherly
toothless grin and the teeth are sitting there in the little box ah I
see them separately
so they are not one and they are not you know
integral they're separate but if there's really literally no me of
experiencing something separately from another thing,
you can never
claim that they're really separate what is the proof that why am I
saying this now think of anything objective anything that we have
experienced in life our parents of other people what food that we
have eaten movies that we have seen books that we have read our
bodies our own thoughts have anything ever been experienced apart
from consciousness can amazingly be experienced apart from the consciousness of course not it's impossible it's a trick question
because the moment you say experienced consciousness is built into
the question of how can you experience other than consciousness
so the physicist was in New York he's our senior-most member in the ashram
bill Conrad he's 95 she said,
Swami
I have designed an experiment to prove that things exist apart from consciousness what is the experiment simples in this rule we set up a video camera like this and we all leave the nobody's conscious here no consciousness when we come back and look at the recording you can see the hall is still there the church is still there everything's there you don't have to have a conscious observer
I have designed an experiment to prove that things exist apart from consciousness what is the experiment simples in this rule we set up a video camera like this and we all leave the nobody's conscious here no consciousness when we come back and look at the recording you can see the hall is still there the church is still there everything's there you don't have to have a conscious observer
so this was an argument against Berkeley
after whom the University in the town is named somebody asked him
if
everything is in his mind suppose when nobody is looking does that tree exist only when you look the tree snaps
into existence that would be really odd but his answer was very
interesting he said when nobody is looking the tree still exists why
because God is looking and therefore he proves the existence of God
because the universe exists only as an object of a mind God's mind is
always there so that's why the universe exists
so that was his way of
proving he was a bishop so he had to prove the existence of God
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so that we need not go so far just look at our own experience nothing can be experienced apart from consciousness what was my answer to bilk Andre
I said truly when you set up the camera and you record this room and we later on come back and look and the room is still there when setting up the camera and leaving the room and coming back and looking at the recording all of it was in consciousness that didn't convince him
so I had to give an example could it be I said
the bill could it be possible all of this the experiment could it be
possible in the dream that you dreamt it all and then you wake up
suddenly you see everything that setting up the camera recording it
and looking at the results of the recording all of it was in a dream
that could be possible
so why not here everything is in consciousness
your entire experiment was in consciousness see this is how they're
thinking it's a very radical way of looking at it you may say you're
talking crazy stuff this is the 21st century and don't forget you are on
those types of UC Berkeley well there's a 21st-century philosopher
gallon Strossen who wrote a very interesting article recently he
wrote that he called it the hard problem of matter Five Verses on Enlightenment 2 of 2 by Sw. Sarvapriyananda at Vedanta Society Berkeley (Part_2)
so little
tongue-in-cheek but very even very nicely written article he says in
that article you can google it and find it the hard problem of the
matter he says actually,
David Chavez should not worry there is no
hard problem of consciousness why they are always conscious Felix
Pete and we are experiencing ourselves is conscious all the time
whenever we experience ourselves we are experiencing ourselves as
conscious by definition true or not but the matter that's another
question altogether Madame depends on
my consciousness to reveal it and when they are investigating the
my consciousness to reveal it and when they are investigating the
so-called real matter out there
the more we investigated with modern science particle physics the
more it is disappearing before our eyes he writes that the men of the
investigate matter from solid hard matter to molecules to atoms to
electrons and protons to quarks to strings through purse strings
whatnot it goes down further and further down where does it end we
it's disappearing before our eyes he says he says he comes to matter
in what has to be proved consciousness does not have to be proved to
imagine but then the reversal what is the proof that the universe
exists we tell me what is the proof that the universe exists the only
proof that you can give me anybody any a scientist can give me the
only proof is because
I
see it because it is revealed to my instruments because I hear it I
touch it all you are proving is consciousness true or not all you're
proving his consciousness where is the proof of matter
so that was
gallons trusses point of view 21st-century philosophy,
not Shankara
Satya 1400 years ago Frank our Acharya says is entire universes and
appearance in consciousness if you ask why does it appear it
consciousness could have just left well enough alone just be
consciousness and know why does it appear in this way this is a big
question
I will not go into it Shankar answer is the answer is all of the sudden one change that of a trigonal age from
my algorithm answered in Advaita always is Maya
I will not go into it Shankar answer is the answer is all of the sudden one change that of a trigonal age from
my algorithm answered in Advaita always is Maya
so somebody ought to exasperation
said to see it's no use arguing with you nondue lists you neither says
Brandon or you say Maya that's all your varied is exasperating
talking with you guys
so Maya which is constituted of the three Gunas
sattva rajas tamas because of that it appears but anyway we can
explain it in other ways also it's an appearance because of that,
it
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so Katherine it ta paraded money one who has this
firm conviction this clarity that I am this unbounded limitless
consciousness he calls it the transcendental bliss socata a Parini
circuitry transcendental bliss how
do you understand it as bliss understand it as completeness both Naga as holiness why wholeness because if there is no second thing apart from you the consciousness then you are complete in yourself whatever seems to be another is nothing other than you then you are complete they where is your limit where is the limit to consciousness where does it stop there's no it stops here and the tip of
my finger are we not conscious this knowing stocks at the goal iconic cannot see beyond the door but you are aware that there's something beyond the door that's also in your awareness what is not in your awareness
do you understand it as bliss understand it as completeness both Naga as holiness why wholeness because if there is no second thing apart from you the consciousness then you are complete in yourself whatever seems to be another is nothing other than you then you are complete they where is your limit where is the limit to consciousness where does it stop there's no it stops here and the tip of
my finger are we not conscious this knowing stocks at the goal iconic cannot see beyond the door but you are aware that there's something beyond the door that's also in your awareness what is not in your awareness
so the entire object of
experience is an appearance in consciousness and that is why
consciousness is without limit
so clutter a parade int need money it
is pure consciousness because there is no second to it there is no
mixture in it let that person be a chandala or a Brahmin or whatever
that person who has countess clarity about one's own the reality that
that person is
my guru this is the second verse let me quickly go through the other verses before we go into the Q&A one the thing here
my guru this is the second verse let me quickly go through the other verses before we go into the Q&A one the thing here
I
would be failing in my duty if I did not mention that these verses
are connected to the maha vaakya s' that's one explanation of what does
that mean all of Advaita Vedanta it's
so simple that it can be
encompassed in these five verses or it can be encompassed in one
sentence what is that sentence that those sentences are called maha
vaakya is great sentences great sentence is not in the number of
words in that sentence but in the because they are profound or total
Omaha profound in the meaning example the famous one which everybody
has heard about is thought to AMA see that a lot that's from the
Chandra Upanishad but there are three others there are four which are
taken as great sentences there are many such sentences in definitions
but four are conventionally taken one from each of the four Vedas
so
thought to AMA C is taken from the Chandra Upanishad that thou art
which is from the same Veda then pranayama consciousness is brahman
that is taken from the idea which is from the Rigveda and then a
homonym asked me
I am Brahman that is taken from the Brethren ikebana ship which is from the Yajurveda and then finally
I am Atmaram this very self is the absolutist is Brahman that is taken from the mandu cube initial which is from the Atharvaveda and they all being the same thing that you are that absolute but we are actually that absolute and the theory is each of these verses are connected to one maha vaakya
I am Brahman that is taken from the Brethren ikebana ship which is from the Yajurveda and then finally
I am Atmaram this very self is the absolutist is Brahman that is taken from the mandu cube initial which is from the Atharvaveda and they all being the same thing that you are that absolute but we are actually that absolute and the theory is each of these verses are connected to one maha vaakya
so the first sometimes the collection is clear sometimes
it's obscure the first verse the connection is very clear we talked
about consciousness
so it is connected to that that that maha vaakya
consciousness is brahman Branham from that is used that is the
connection in the first verse the second verse is even more clear it
starts off with the maha vaakya Brahm Reena
I am Brahman clearly that maha vaakya I am Romanus is the theme of the second verse the third verse the connection is more obscure let me read the third verse Ashwin Aishwarya may wish to Alma Keenum nice Giovanni randomly shot all Hashanah which a discrete Impreza haha some in
my epoch a product our summer items of apples it gave money Sharma what does it mean Joshua Ashwin astronomy Bhavesh to a McCollum this entire universe is continuously changing is destructible it passes away everything that that story about the A Buddhist monk who came to the transience of life impermanence of light the Buddhist every become is so this Buddhist monk comes to the king and the complaints you know
I am Brahman clearly that maha vaakya I am Romanus is the theme of the second verse the third verse the connection is more obscure let me read the third verse Ashwin Aishwarya may wish to Alma Keenum nice Giovanni randomly shot all Hashanah which a discrete Impreza haha some in
my epoch a product our summer items of apples it gave money Sharma what does it mean Joshua Ashwin astronomy Bhavesh to a McCollum this entire universe is continuously changing is destructible it passes away everything that that story about the A Buddhist monk who came to the transience of life impermanence of light the Buddhist every become is so this Buddhist monk comes to the king and the complaints you know
I have so
many troubles the enemies have surrounded the kingdom and the rains
have failed we have famine in the kingdom and the ministers are
incompetent and
my print the prince my son doesn't seem to be interested in you know learning the ropes of being a king and all of that
my print the prince my son doesn't seem to be interested in you know learning the ropes of being a king and all of that
so it's all terrible and the monk said Oh King this too shall
pass okay ten years later the monk was again passing through that
Kingdom and he met the king and asked the king how are you and the
King said all by our blessing
so he said everything has turned out
well the enemies have become friends and they were plentiful reigns
and there is a bountiful harvest and the ministers have been replaced
and the prince has grown up to be a wonderful young man who is very
interested in learning so it's all good and the monk said you know
King this too shall pass
so shush - unless you are a male official
McCallum does that same definition there are realists and a pessimist
and an optimist a pessimist is one who sees the long dark tunnel
ahead an optimist is one who sees the light at the end of the tunnel
and a realist is one who sees the long the dark tunnel ahead and the
light at the end of the tunnel and the next dark tunnel an all this
is continuously changing just one last forum to be destroyed tomorrow
to be lost tomorrow and this is understood this whole teaching is
understood by the teaching of the Guru teaches us and me
honey remember marauder but all this is grounded in the unchanging
pure consciousness which
I am always concentrating on that centered in the truth nearly we are - and our a panel near Biagio means without crookedness in the pure of mind and shan't ahkmenrah means with the peaceful mind,
I am always concentrating on that centered in the truth nearly we are - and our a panel near Biagio means without crookedness in the pure of mind and shan't ahkmenrah means with the peaceful mind,
these are the two qualifications in Vedanta we
talk about fourfold qualifications but literally,
they can all be
reduced to two things a pure light and a calm mind and those two are
also connected a pure mind can be a comment with that kind of a
mental approach the Guru and listen to the teachings now how is this
connected to a make a great teacher great sentence the Maharaja here
is supposed to be tucked to the mercy that thou art
so I said it's an
obscure connection what is the obscure a connection who says that
thou art the teacher says to the student that thou art
so it says
here hearing from the teacher so that kind of an obscure connection
that the teacher what have you heard from the teacher that thou art,
of course,
a lot of Vedanta but the basic the idea is that thou art
and but know each other's freedom brother Madison with
my power ok all accumulated Karma's which are given results in the past and which are about to give results in the future all of them are burned in them in the fire of enlightenment that means this is the last light they will be no more births produced by accumulated Karma and this life the remaining part of this life is prana the high as Samantha Tom suave apoo surrendering this body as long as it lives surrendering sunder surrendering it to the remaining karma prarabdha karma
my power ok all accumulated Karma's which are given results in the past and which are about to give results in the future all of them are burned in them in the fire of enlightenment that means this is the last light they will be no more births produced by accumulated Karma and this life the remaining part of this life is prana the high as Samantha Tom suave apoo surrendering this body as long as it lives surrendering sunder surrendering it to the remaining karma prarabdha karma
so this all whole theory of activated karma and accumulated
karma I'm not going into that so anyway they can under put it very
beautifully what is the attitude of the enlightened person to this
particular body because
I now know that I am NOT the god but still this body appears after enlightenment also everything the world will appear exactly as it is the body will also appear mind will also appear but
I know I am NOT it then what is my attitude to it,
I now know that I am NOT the god but still this body appears after enlightenment also everything the world will appear exactly as it is the body will also appear mind will also appear but
I know I am NOT it then what is my attitude to it,
Swami
Vivekananda says he then no more how body lives or dies karma will
float down let karma float in town go now from place to place and
help them out of my ass behaviors that way he puts it
so that's the
life of an enlightened person that's exactly what Shankar Acharya is
saying 1400 years ago this is
my firm conviction fourth verse yadi Lee Jung Narada without the Hama Cantus photography yet pasa Rida action of a Shia the photo voce Donna Tom bass JP de tucumán Dahlonega smooth Tim Saddam Hawaiian yo-yo beta mana
my firm conviction fourth verse yadi Lee Jung Narada without the Hama Cantus photography yet pasa Rida action of a Shia the photo voce Donna Tom bass JP de tucumán Dahlonega smooth Tim Saddam Hawaiian yo-yo beta mana
so he could be a
shaman he charmer that one consciousness which animates lower animals
and human beings and the gods it's one consciousness which runs
through all of them which
I see very clearly now,
I see very clearly now,
I understand a grasp
very clearly now by whose light mind and the senses and the body are
illumined though they are not conscious in themselves
so the consciousness which we feel now right now is not the pure
consciousness in itself it's a reflection in the body-mind system by
that light Tom Haas says it's like the Sun hidden a cloud what is the
cloud not knowing not understanding this that's the cloud now screw
tinsel our Hawaiian notice that even when the Sun is hidden by a
cloud even the crowd is living by the sunlight the Sun behind it
reveals the cloud which is riding the hiding the Sun similarly,
even
though
I do not know myself as pure consciousness everything
I do not know myself as pure consciousness everything
I know
what
I see and hear and smell and taste and touch are because of that
pure consciousness its light is revealing.
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